Saturday, May 02, 2009

Witness comes forward on Ufo crash at Needles CA over Colorado River from May 14 2008

The FAA and other public agencies say they have no idea what plummeted from the sky and plowed into the ground near Needles california on the Colorado River back on 14th May 2008. But numerous eyewitnesses saw it and they saw the flotilla of helicopters that arrived soon after to retrieve it.
This can rightfully be called a UFO crash, since the object is, as yet, unidentified:

Source - read more on this amazing story here and part 2 of the storyPart 2 of interview -

Part 1 - July Interview

Ballons or a Ufo ? - Lublin Poland

Were these just two ballons and a plane flying by or something more ? - Lublin Poland.

Ufo Video - over the Wolds in uk 1st may 2009

More Ufos - this brilliant red orb was seen over the Wolds in uk 1st may 2009:

Orbs everywhere in May 2009

Orbs in the USA May 2009:

and In Russia

New Ufo Hunters Alien Harvest + Season 2 out Shortly !

Great new episode from Season 2 of Ufo Hunters

By the way the whole amazing Season 2 of Ufo Hunters will be out in 3 weeks (May 26) on DVD. Its great to have a copy of the DVD to watch all these excellent episodes again.
Don't miss it - Pre-order your copy now here with Amazon!

It's a disturbing pattern that's been going on for the past 40 years--thousands of cows seemingly slaughtered in the same strange, meticulous way on ranches around the world. This pattern has mystified ranchers, veterinarians, and law enforcement officials. Eyewitnesses report UFOs and black helicopters in the area where cows are turning up dead. Could someone be carrying out a macabre harvest? The team is hot on the trail of a recent mutilation case, analyzing the entire phenomenon.





The Blog

Hi all,

Hope you are all doing well!
As you may know the last 3 weeks have been super busy on the blog.
Ufo reports are coming in so frequent now its quite a busy Job!
I also just wanted your feedback to ask how long the blog takes to load up for you , and if you think it is slow to load at the moment? (as some people complained)

Would be great to have all your feedback ..

take care

Ohh and as Always .. Keep Your eyes to the Skies !!

Friday, May 01, 2009

UFO over The Hague Holland April 2009

These strange pulsating UFO spheres suddenly started appearing over the city of The Hague, The Netherlands in April 2009. Higher in the sky they started to form traingle like formations and dissapeared into the atmosphere:

UFO invasion over The Hague Holland

Ufos or flares - PHOENIX ARIZONA 04-28-2009

PHOENIX ARIZONA - a new ufo seen on the 28th April 2009 - any opinions on what this could be ? flares or not?

Metal shared linked to Roswell Incident 1.5.2009

Only a proper scientific analysis will show if a tiny piece of metal can shed new light on the supposed crash of a UFO near Roswell, researchers appealing for funds said Thursday:

Object April 29, 2009Over the Bronx, NY

Contrail or something else? Posters comments: This caught my attention for a minute so I had to check it out. At first I thought this was just an ordinary cloud but what do you think? Filmed April 29, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Over the Bronx, NY

Ufo Seen over crop circle

The connection between orbs (ball of light) ufos and crop circles is well known.
Comments from this poster
i took this picture on a crop circle journey in sommer 2006.this picture isn't manipulated.location: near marlborough, southern england, standing in a crop circle.
i didn't saw the object while taking this picture, because i didn't looked at the display of the camera.for me, this doesn't look like a helicopter, plain, bird or a bug (near the lens).

Orange UFO spotted above Chester UK skies April 26

"Watch the video shot by Canadian Marty Wilbur from his Chester flat of a strange orange object flying over the city on Sunday (April 26) night."

Source: chester chronicle

Thursday, April 30, 2009

UFo Hunters New UFO Sightings Map

Might be of interest to you all
New from the Ufo Hunters team - the sightings Map.
Want to learn more about sightings in your area? Find the sighting you're looking for on the UFO Sightings Map. Click here

Webots on Target ? - Obama concerned over Pakistan Nuclear weapons - US to fund Pakistan Army

In line with the 5 ( november ?) country war predictions from the web bots President Obama has come forward highlighting his concerns over Pakistan:

President Obama said Wednesday that he is “gravely concerned” about the stability of the Pakistani government "We need to help Pakistan help Pakistanis," Obama told reporters at a news conference marking his first 100 days in office.

He added: "We want to respect their sovereignty, but we also recognize that we have huge strategic interests, huge national security interests in making sure that Pakistan is stable and that you don't end up having a nuclear-armed militant state."

Obama said the Pakistani army was well aware of the risks posed by extremists and militant groups should they obtain nuclear weapons. He described a strong relationship between the U.S. and Pakistani militaries.

"I'm confident that we can make sure that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is secure," he said.

Obama praised Pakistan's military for taking more seriously threats from extremists within its borders than continuing its focus on India, the nation's longtime rival. "You're starting to see some recognition just in the last few days that the obsession with India as the mortal threat to Pakistan has been misguided, and that their biggest threat right now comes internally," he said.

"We want to continue to encourage Pakistan to move in that direction," he said. "And we will provide them all of the cooperation that we can."

The president's comments came a few hours after top Pentagon and diplomatic officials asked Congress to spend part of a $400 million package on training and equipping the Pakistani army to fight insurgents within its borders.

Speaking at a prime-time news conference on his 100th day in office, Mr. Obama called the government in Pakistan, where army forces are at war with Taliban insurgents who have been advancing on Islamabad, “very fragile.” Pakistan’s leader, President Asif Ali Zardari, is to visit Washington next week, and American officials have been pressing his government to be more aggressive in battling the insurgency.

“I am more concerned that the civilian government right now is very fragile and don’t seem to have the capacity to deliver basic services,” like health care and the rule of law, Mr. Obama said. “As a consequence,” he added, “it’s very difficult for them to gain the support and loyalty of their people.”

Want a $100,000 or more grant ? - Easy, Follow the hydrogen car plans - Australia's Green Car Innovation Fund application

Australia's government has annouced a $1.3 billion Green Car Innovation Fund which officially opens for applications today. If you are aware of the Hydrogen car plans by Stan Meyer you will know that it is more than possible to run a car on Water. Infact the Kits to run your car on water now can now be bought directly here  and here already made up saving you time in collecting all the parts. 

Here's reports on the Australian governments Iniative:
The governments fund will provide assistance, on a co-investment basis, over ten years to design, develop and manufacture low-emission, fuel-efficient cars and components in Australia.

It is a key part of the Rudd Government's $6.2 billion New Car Plan for a Greener Future, designed to transform and renew the Australian automotive industry – making it more economically and environmentally sustainable.

In calling for applications under the program, Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research, Senator Kim Carr, confirmed that funding will flow from 1 July 2009.

"It will support research, development and early stage commercialisation of green Australian automotive technologies.

"An important feature of the fund will be the ability to lodge applications at any time."

• motor vehicle producers (MVP) will be able to apply for grants of $5 million or more; and
• applicants other than the MVPs will be able to apply for grants of $100,000 or more.

 Get the Hydrogen car plans HERE

stick object Over Preston lancashire UK 27th April 2009

Looks like a long stick in the sky Over Preston lancashire 27th April 2009 (please remember if you have seen a Ufo, or if you have seen a new youtube video or have any news please email me so i can share it with everyone -its going to become a busy time in Ufology over the coming year)

Ufo over the Giza Pyramids on April 20, 2009 on PyramidCam

Ufos have been captured over the Pyramids many, many times over the last few years thanks to (see below images). I have posted a few times about some great clips captured from this site and now another video has emerged at Giza on April 20, 2009 . Note that after this image was filmed so some reason their cams went down and are currently not working. see their site here . Its long been explained that ufos have a connection with pyramids, possibly because of the energy vortex there .. any opinions on this?

Note Click on Images for larger closeup:

What you see above is one the last images produced before connectivity was lost again at the hotel in Giza. We will probably not be up again until Sunday. It's a very interesting image from the 20th of April which shows something in the frame which we can't identify.
Video of the Cam capture Giza Pyramids 20 th April 2009

Here just some of the Collection of ufo photos taken over the years which i have posted as caught on You can learn more by tyeing " pyramid cam ufo " in our search toolbar.

Image date: 9/13/08 - This was a PyramidCam image captured off a live cam site by one of our Forum members who kindly forwarded it to me. From our experience it could not be a bird, plane, helicopter, insect, camera artifact or kite. I don't have a full size original, so it is not as clear as it could be.


November 10 2006 (videos below )

May 23, 2006 another ufo over the pyramids

Wednesday, April 29, 2009

Above Bluebook: UFO Government Conspiracy

There was a very powerful government sponsored agency above project BlueBook. This agency not only investigated UFOs but apparently monitored them by radar. Two deputies found out the hard way that telling the truth is not what your suppose to do with UFOs:

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More examples of Orbs

Great Orb video from UfomediaMatters

Obama says sorry For AirForce 1 Over New York

I agree with the poster of this video, pretty shocking indeed!
President Obama has apologised to New Yorkers for yesterday's scare, when people feared another 9/11 attack was under way. Its incredible he found out like the rest of us, not much respect for his office.......... or the people that did this don't have to answer to any body?

NEW Alex Collier Interview - the contactee

This is the new Alex Collier Interview: Alex Collier a United States citizen claiming to be a contactee with friendly human ETs from the Andromeda star system. Collier has underlined that he is a contactee, not an abductee. Although Collier has endeavoured to keep a low profile since first going public in the early 1990's with the warnings provided to him by his Andromedan contacts, the information then provided has moved more and more into the mainstream.

UFO witness interview, The truth is out there April 27th, 2009

There are reports of UFO sightings everywhere, even in Hampton Roads. A NASA astronaut wants the Obama administration to open government UFO files:


Guys Ufo sightings are now on a massive increase! - here's the new New mass Ufo sighting over SLOVAKIA, police release video.


UFOS over ITALY on TG5 NEWS 28th APRIL 2009

A new one - UFOS over ITALY on TG5 NEWS 28th APRIL 2009 20:00 PM

Shanghai Triangle Ufo April 2009

OMG the web bots were right about Ufo sightings increasing like crazy .. I'm flat out posting so many new Ufo sightings atm..
Here's another new one Shanghai April 2009, any comments:

The Chase Burns new UFO's movie

Real or fake - what your take on The new Chase Burns UFO's

AirForce takes photo over world trade center New York -Sparks fury in Manhattan!

Many people simply can't believe this has happened !- the defense department of the US flew the presidents spare Airforce one at extremely low altitude over the area of the World Trade center the other day, apparently for a photo opportunity .
 As the mayor of New York said :"Why the Defence Department wanted to do a photo-op right around the site of the World Trade Center catastrophe defies imagination," he said.  Sounds sick but were they basking in the glory of  what 9/11 achieved? Please discuss...

President Barack Obama's spare Air Force One plane and two fighter jets buzzed lower Manhattan skyscrapers on Monday for a photo op, sparking panic in New York and prompting a White House apology.
The search for the perfect picture beside famous New York landmarks backfired as frightened office workers fled their buildings in fear of a new 9/11 and triggered an angry outburst from Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who said he had not been warned about the photo shoot.
Bloomberg called the lack of notice about the fly-over near the site of the world's most famous terrorist attack "ridiculous and poor judgment."

The White House military office apologized after the 30-minute incident in which the customized presidential jumbo buzzed southern Manhattan and the Statue of Liberty in the Hudson River.
Stunned office workers who failed to spot the presidential markings feared a repeat of the September 11, 2001 attacks in which two hijacked airliners smashed into the World Trade Center, killing almost 3,000 people.
"I saw everybody running and I ran out too. My heart is still pounding," said commodities trader Jurgens Bauer.
Bauer said that his room had no window so he had not seen the plane -- which is painted white with a blue nose and blue stripe -- but that the terror was real.
"I was there on 9/11, I saw thousands of people die. I don't like when I am not aware of a military photo op," he said.
Local NY1 television said it had received "multiple phone calls from residents fearing an incident reminiscent of September 11."

Why would the Us Military allow this , its a no fly zone , why right over the World Trade center, its really disturbing that this was allowed .. was it the "real mission accomplished"? Please discuss...

Tuesday, April 28, 2009

UFO IN LONDON 15 APRIL 2009. very close!

Guy films triangle Ufo very close in London 15th April 2009 
note: I strongly feel this may be a reflection on glass from within the house , but i still decided to post - any opinions on this one:

NASA's confirmed 2012 prediction - Deterioration of Earth's Magnetosphere during Sun's Polar shift in 2012 :

Scientists have now accepted that the intersection of 2 problems - the deterioration of Earth's Magnetosphere during the Sun's Polar shift in 2012 (as recently discussed) will be the real concern as we approach 2012 :

Now here's the reason why: 
Scientists have found two large leaks in Earth's magnetosphere, the region around our planet that shields us from severe solar storms. Now in 2012 the suns poles will reverse (not the earths as wrongly said on many 2012 sites - see below!) , during this time a massive solar storm will reck havoc on earth - usually this is no problem - but now due to the 'cracks' in it, Earth's protective Magnetosphere may fail us,  so the violent solar and electromagnetic radiation will make it through and cause many problems to life as we know it (eg: disabling communication satellites, mobile phones, effective sleep patterns,  & radiation poisoning of humans) Also as earth has to absorb extra radiation & energy this will cause possible changes within the earth's core - with energy being re-dissipated from the earth with new volcanoes formed and crust movement.

As mentioned in the Video below - The leaks are defying many of scientists' previous ideas on how the interaction between Earth's magnetosphere and solar wind occurs: The leaks are in an unexpected location, let in solar particles in faster than expected and the whole interaction works in a manner that is completely the opposite of what scientists had thought:

Important Note:  many websites say Earths Poles will shift during 2012 but this is not true. According to NASA, Planet pole reversals (not suns - which like ours can reverse poles quickly in a few years)  take a few thousand years to complete, and during that time--contrary to popular belief--the magnetic field does not vanish - "It just gets more complicated"  -so this is probably why our  Magnetosphere is going weird at the moment. (Another controversial idea is that the Earth's magnetosphere could be influenced temporarily by our current position in the solar system in the Milky way as we past by a big black hole, however theories of the 2012 galactic plane alignment are heavy disputed at the moment )  - Either way its true that Earths Magnetosphere is very weak at the moment and yes this is a sign of initial pole shifting but not complete pole reversal of Earth - this won't happen in 2012 as its a slow process and is predicted to take another 1200 years to complete. What is of major concern overall is how strong the Magnetosphere will be during the solar storms of 2012.

NASA Themis Confirms Massive breach of Earth's Magnetosphere detected:

NASA Extends mission - worried about 2012?
On May 19, 2008 the Space Sciences Laboratory at Berkeley announced NASA had extended theTHEMIS mission to the year 2012 (strange co-incidence right?). In addition a new mission that would send twoTHEMIS probes into lunar orbits was provisionally approved by NASA, pending a technical review before February 2009

Summary of Final Web Bot prediction report 2009 into 2010 - dumping of the US dollar ?

Ok this is it .. probably the final posts i will do on the web bots for now!. Basically i wanted to talk about what Cliff High said on Radio Show Journeys with Rebecca yesterday. Cliff went through and revealed everything from the leaked Part 6 of the Last ALTA (web bot report).
Basically the web bot reports will stop from now on due to someone leaking the whole reports online which renders the bot project data sets unusable from now on. The major aspects of the final report look at the impacts of the dumping of the US dollar, the starting of November 5 war and the deterioration of the magnetosphere and its dire impacts on people, continents & life in 2012.
You can listen to the interview here  Part-1 Part-2 
This great person on ATS did a summary of the interview the remaining predictions for 2009 going into 2012 and they are quite shocking indeed:

  • He said there will be a 10000 fold increase in UFO sightings this summer 

  • Currently governments are proping us economies but this will fail - evidence of this will be seen in May 09. Also, when the dollar collapses other countries will not accept the U.S. dollar anymore and will not want U.S. military bases in their country. Global trading in US dollar as a common currency will stop and the US economy will collapse. 

    The U.S. will have problems paying its troops, military bases will close and they will have a  problem getting the troops home .  (If you want to understand this there are theories of how dumping of the US dollar can cause global havoc)

  • Also the PTB (Powers that Be) are having the military test on troops "Ormes" which would be for them to stop any radiation problems from the sun and magnet problems we will be having. This is a very dangerous mixture of metals that can harm people and has to be done exactly to that own person's body. It is very expensive - BUT the PTB are having troops tested with it right now - to save themselves in the future!!! It is all about the "elite" being saved not the public from radiation that will increase as our magnetosphere collapses more.

  • Also the magnetosphere is being affected along with the sun and the rest of the solarsystem from the milky way magnetics, which we will be fully into on Dec. 21 2012. (Note  NASA THEMIS showed and proved we were aware of the 2012 magnetosphere issue since 1998) (so when we see the magnetosphere folding - THAT IS NOT NORMAL)

  • Sept. pandemic really takes affect and becomes a huge problem - he did not elaborate too much on it. Swine flu problem only late 09
    no medicines due to no other countries taking the dollar - so we can't buy medicines from around the world - no health care  in the US towards - end of year. (best stock up on Tamiflu now i guess)

  • People taking vids of PTB doing bad things lose their lives as things come out 

  • Lots of people will disappear - be killed off by PTB - that have info etc.
    Others will disappear in very odd circumstances 
  • Chemtrails info will come out more - being fear based of needing it from MSM propaganda - to the public (says to combat - global warming) MSM will try to scare people in making sure it keeps happening - all kinds of language with it, not sure the end result. 

  • But then the chemtrails may stop anyway, due to ALL the volcano eruptions, that will be blocking the sun anyway. LOTS of volcano eruptions starting this year but main time of a big amount in 2010 to 2011, they will be going off in lots of places they have not happened before. New volcanos formed and erupting. This is due to the squeezing of the planet by our going into the milky way system again magnetics an issue. New land  being formed but at same time magentic changes impact on earths crusts and some continents sink? (Mass migration plans may be needed from North to South hemisphere)

  • Nov/Dec - November 5 2009 is a special Day (something to do with Number 5 and war Important) - war annouced war of Pakistan and Iran together against Israel - in retaliation of their beginning - bombing - once that starts North Korea will also start something. Will become a 5 country war problem

  • But problem for U.S. as the military bases are kicked out of countries due to no country accepting the U.S. dollar. He did not completely elaborate on how the U.S. will fare, only mentioned 5 war fronts. 
  • That will be the problems with any shipments or purchases from other countries - no country will accept the dollar. So, no medicines will be available come winter. 
  • Obama / PTB becomes PO at everything in Nov/Dec. as too much info is getting out and not able to control things as much as before. 
  • Many whistleblowers - especially regarding NASA come out over the summer - Ufo related?. 

    Rioting starts end of summer goes into mid 2010 - 

    People begin to start acting very odd - due to the magnetics and not able to sleep as the earth is being squeezed. This will be completely due to the milky way. This is affecting the sun also - PTB don't want the info out, about what is really going on.

      He said about the only way to really purchase things is with straight gold or silver.
    He thinks - not sure that within the U.S. we will still trade with dollars.

    He said 5 individuals control the MSM (Main Stream Media) - they will do whatever it takes to control and will get angry as things begin happening and truths come out, where their control loosens.

Monday, April 27, 2009

Huge Ufo over Tatra Mountains between Slovakia and Poland April 24 2009

Huge Ufo seen around the 24th April 2009 Tatra Mountains border between Slovakia and Poland. Caught live into the Natural reserve of Tatra - A large 3D triangle is image is seen at 1.13 ! Credit for video goes to incroyableverite.

Not suprisingly Ufos have been seen over Tatra many times in the past.(reminds me of Mt Adams) 
If anyone has witnessed this or has more video please reply to this post.
Would love to have any opinions on this video?

Alien artifacts discovered underneath crop circles

Posted this before but still interesting: 3 Metal discs found in the Grasdorf Pictogram, Germany 1991 The farmer Werner Harenberg woke up early in the morning of July 23 1991 to discover Germanys first really spectacular crop circle near the village of Grasdorf, Lower Saxony in the historic Teutoburger Wald Area, not far from Hannover, and indeed not far from the prehistoric site of Externsteine:

Web bot Predictions - the Most recent Update - 18th April 2009 & 2012 forecast

Ok before you say not again ...its  just one more post ok!.. this is the more recent update from the creators of the web bot predictions Cliff High and George from the 18th of April 2009.
As you may or may not know the web bots are the most popular topic on the blog at the moment!. (even though its a Ufo blog!)

Cliff and George talk about what we will see also we make it through the economic disaster of 2009 / 2010 and the major event to happen in 2012. They also talk about why they are taking a break following the leaking of their most recent report on the internet:

Web bot predictions for 2009 - 2010 the danger period April to November 2009 & events in 2012

Hi all
Just an update on the Web bot Predictions for the coming 'danger' months going into the start of 2010. These astounding predictions  take algorithmic technology used in stock trend forecasting and apply this to predict human related events by scanning the web for certain key phrases. 
If you go back through the previous posts on the site you will see yourself the accuracy of these predictions so far Cliff High again on Veritas and discusses the implications of the stolen ALTA Report 1309
What are the web bots?
Interview with Cliff High also  in response to the recent, leaked ALTA Report 1309 and what to expect int he long term up to 2012 - with Mel on the Veritas Show:

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Jan 2009 Great introduction to the web bots

Actual Video - UFO Battle Over Los Angeles: 1942

One of my favorite UFO cases - The Battle Over Los Angeles in 1942.

What was hovering above Los Angeles on February 25, 1942?'s Dara Brown has the story on this 65th anniversary of the 'Battle of L.A.'

The Battle of Los Angeles is the name given by contemporary news agencies to a sighting of one or more unidentified flying objects, which took place from late February 24 to early February 25, 1942.  Eyewitness reports of an unknown object or objects over Los Angeles, California, triggered a massive anti-aircraft artillery barrage. The Los Angeles incident occurred less than three months after America's entry into World War II as a result of the attack on Pearl Harbor.

The following are excerpts from the primary front page story of the LA Times on February 26th. Note that there is not a SINGLE description of the object, even though is was clearly locked in the focus of dozens of searchlights for well over half an hour and seen by hundreds of thousands of people:

Army Says Alarm Real  Roaring Guns Mark Blackout

Identity of Aircraft Veiled in Mystery; No Bombs Dropped and No Enemy Craft Hit; Civilians Reports Seeing Planes and Balloon

Overshadowing a nation-wide maelstrom of rumors and conflicting reports, the Army's Western Defense Command insisted that Los Angeles' early morning blackout and anti-aircraft action were the result of unidentified aircraft sighted over the beach area. In two official statements, issued while Secretary of the Navy Knox in Washington was attributing the activity to a false alarm and "jittery nerves," the command in San Francisco confirmed and reconfirmed the presence over the Southland of unidentified planes. Relayed by the Southern California sector office in Pasadena, the second statement read: "The aircraft which caused the blackout in the Los Angeles area for several hours this a.m. have not been identified." Insistence from official quarters that the alarm was real came as hundreds of thousands of citizens who heard and saw the activity spread countless varying stories of the episode. The spectacular anti-aircraft barrage came after the 14th Interceptor Command ordered the blackout when strange craft were reported over the coastline. Powerful searchlights from countless stations stabbed the sky with brilliant probing fingers while anti-aircraft batteries dotted the heavens with beautiful, if sinister, orange bursts of shrapnel.

City Blacked Out For Hours

The city was blacked out from 2:25 to 7:21 am after an earlier yellow alert at 7:18 pm was called off at 10:23 pm. The blackout was in effect from here to the Mexican border and inland to the San Joaquin Valley. No bombs were dropped and no airplanes shot down and, miraculously in terms of the tons of missiles hurled aloft, only two persons were reported wounded by falling shell fragments. Countless thousands of Southland residents, many of whom were late to work because of the traffic tie-up during the blackout, rubbed their eyes sleepily yesterday and agreed that regardless of the question of how "real" the air raid alarm may have been, it was "a great show" and "well worth losing a few hours' sleep." The blackout was not without its casualties, however. A State Guardsman died of a heart attack while driving an ammunition truck, heart failure also accounted for the death of an air raid warden on duty, a woman was killed in a car-truck collision in Arcadia, and a Long Beach policeman was killed in a traffic crash enroute to duty. Much of the firing appeared to come from the vicinity of aircraft plants along the coastal area of Santa Monica, Inglewood, Southwest Los Angeles, and Long Beach.

In its front page editorial, the Times said: "In view of the considerable public excitement and confusion caused by yesterday morning's supposed enemy air raid over this area and its spectacular official accompaniments, it seems to The Times that more specific public information should be forthcoming from government sources on the subject, if only to clarify their own conflicting statements about it."

"According to the Associated Press, Secretary Knox intimated that reports of enemy air activity in the Pacific Coastal Region might be due largely to 'jittery nerves.' Whose nerves, Mr. Knox? The public's or the Army's?"